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Kēkere-wai and Toro-i-waho are middle children who initiated the debate of their discomfort in noho-tata-pu. The kōrero that founded two opposing opinions about change. Kēkere-wai who stirred the waters and Toro-i-waho who spread that kōrero. Kēkere -wai who reached for something different and Toro-i-waho who supported.